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		<title>On the efficacy of prayer</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2011 19:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over at Epiphenom, Tom Rees has a nice &#8216;Research Blogging&#8217; style article (Efficacy of prayer questioned) about a paper by Francis Galton dating back a few years now &#8211; doing the review as if it were of a contemporary paper. Bottom line: no statistical evidence for efficacy (but it might make people feel good). Galton, [...]]]></description>
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<p>Over at <a href="http://epiphenom.fieldofscience.com/" target="_blank">Epiphenom</a>, Tom Rees has a nice &#8216;Research Blogging&#8217; style article (<a href="http://epiphenom.fieldofscience.com/2011/04/efficacy-of-prayer-questioned.html">Efficacy of prayer questioned</a>) about a <a href="http://www.galton.org/essays/1870-1879/galton-1872-fortnightly-review-efficacy-prayer.html" target="_blank">paper by Francis Galton</a> dating back a few years now &#8211; doing the review as if it were of a contemporary paper.</p>
<p>Bottom line: no statistical evidence for efficacy (but it might make people feel good).</p>
<p>Galton, F (1872). Statistical Inquiries into the Efficacy of Prayer.  Fortnightly Review , 12, 125-135</p>
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		<title>Intelligent Design centre launched in the UK</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I notice at the Nature Blogs site (The Great Beyond: New intelligent design centre launches in Britain) that a new &#8220;Centre for Intelligent Design&#8221; has been set up in the UK.  It&#8217;s Director is none other than Alastair Noble, about whom I blogged a few months ago, following a risible article he wrote for the [...]]]></description>
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<p>I notice at the Nature Blogs site (<a href="http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2010/09/new_intelligent_design_organiz.html">The Great Beyond: New intelligent design centre launches in Britain</a>) that a new &#8220;<a href="http://www.c4id.org.uk/" target="_blank">Centre for Intelligent Design</a>&#8221; has been set up in the UK.  It&#8217;s Director is none other than Alastair Noble, about whom I blogged a few months ago, following a risible article he wrote for the Guardian website (<a title="Permanent link to Alastair Noble, proponent of Intelligent Design" rel="bookmark" href="http://www.robertsaunders.org.uk/wordpress/2009/12/04/alastair-noble-proponent-of-intelligent-design/">Alastair Noble, proponent of Intelligent Design</a>;<a title="Permanent link to Intelligent Design is not science, and  should not be taught in science lessons" rel="bookmark" href="http://www.robertsaunders.org.uk/wordpress/2009/12/01/intelligent-design-is-not-science-and-should-not-be-taught-in-science-lessons/">Intelligent Design is not science, and  should not be taught in science lessons</a>).  The other leading lights are as follows:</p>
<p><strong>President</strong>: Prof Norman Nevin OBE, Emeritus Professor of Medical Genetics, Queens University, Belfast<br />
A quick Google search reveals Nevin has been very active in human genetic research.  The British Centre for Science Education lists Nevin in an article about the DUP&#8217;s promotion of creationism in schools (<a href="http://www.bcseweb.org.uk/index.php/Main/PaisleysPartyBacksCreationismInSchools">Northern Ireland’s Leading Political Party is Creationist</a>).  Nevin apparently defends Truth in Science (<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2007/01/norman_nevin_defends_truth_in_1.html">Norman Nevin defends Truth in Science</a>).  I blogged about (the ridiculously-named) Truth in Science (<a href="http://www.robertsaunders.org.uk/wordpress/2009/12/09/discovery-institute-take-the-wedge-strategy-to-uk-schools/">Discovery Institute takes the wedge strategy to UK schools</a>) &#8211; note that Alastair Noble favourably reviewed the key text in TiS&#8217;s wedge strategy for UK schools.</p>
<p><strong>Vice-Presiden</strong>t: Dr David Galloway, Vice President of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons, Glasgow, Scotland<br />
<a href="http://www.davidgalloway.co.uk">David Galloway&#8217;s website</a> (very flash-button-heavy) has a bunch of links to church activities, and seems to be rather evangelical in tone.</p>
<p>The C4ID website has a list of Terms and Conditions which are full of legalese about usage of the site&#8217;s content.  Interestingly, it lists the url http://www.darwinordesign.org.uk/ which at the time of writing (26/9/10) points to a Joomla! site either under development or maintenance.</p>
<p>The website appears to be full of the hoary old half-truths so beloved of the ignorant: for example their article <a href="http://www.c4id.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=172:the-scientific-case-for-design" target="_blank">The Scientific Case for Design</a>.  All five headings reveal the depths of ignorance of the author.</p>
<p>While the Nature Blog article says:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;For the time being, the organization isn&#8217;t looking to promote ID in  Britain&#8217;s schools, Noble says. &#8220;I would stress that we’re not targeting  schools&#8221;,</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d be cautious &#8211; Noble has past experience as a Schools Inspector, as I recall, and as observed above Nevin backs the Truth in Science wedge strategy aimed at schools.</p>
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		<title>Irish Minister won&#8217;t now launch anti-evolution book</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 04:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>GrumpyBob</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to the Irish Times (Minister withdraws from launch of anti-evolution book &#8211; The Irish Times &#8211; Tue, Sep 14, 2010), Conor Lenihan, the Irish Minister for Science will not be launching the anti-evolution book &#8220;The Origin of Specious Nonsense&#8221;.  This book has a website &#8211; but beware, on my notebook, it seemed to set [...]]]></description>
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<p>According to the Irish Times (<a href="http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/0914/1224278831472.html">Minister withdraws from launch of anti-evolution book &#8211; The Irish Times &#8211; Tue, Sep 14, 2010</a>), Conor Lenihan, the Irish Minister for Science will not be launching the anti-evolution book &#8220;The Origin of Specious Nonsense&#8221;.  This book has a <a href="http://www.theoriginofspeciousnonsense.com" target="_blank">website</a> &#8211; but beware, on my notebook, it seemed to set the processor racing &#8211; presumably the over-enthusiastic application of graphics. Certainly the site uses copious amounts of Flash.</p>
<p>It does seem to be the usual stuff.  A self-educated author embraces religion, and none of his background really suggests he has beene exposed to any training or education in science.  The website includes some <a href="http://www.theoriginofspeciousnonsense.com/index-2.html" target="_blank">quotes from the book</a>, which conists mostly of the usual creationist canards.  I wonder if Mr Lenihan took the time to look at the website (or even the book itself) before agreeing to the now-cancelled book launch.</p>
<p>Judging from the book website, I would suggest that having a Science Minister associated with it in any way would raise questions about the Minister&#8217;s fitness for that office.  But, hey, this is another country&#8217;s government, and the UK also seems to specialise win Government Ministers with no special qualifications for the job!</p>
<p>I looked up <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conor_Lenihan" target="_blank">Conor Lenihan on Wikipedia</a>.  Seems like an interesting guy with a record of public pronouncements seemingly at odds with his political roles.  Take for example, the article&#8217;s section <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conor_Lenihan#Attitude_to_immigrants" target="_blank">Attitude to Immigrants</a> (Mr Lenihan was Minister of State for Integration Policy from June 2007 to April 2009).</p>
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		<title>Guardian Blog: Creationists seek to insert their own brand of &#8216;truth&#8217; into education</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul Sims of the New Humanist magazine takes aim once again at the Noah&#8217;s Ark zoo (as featured on this blog also) in the Guardian: Creationists seek to insert their own brand of &#8216;truth&#8217; into education. Bookmark It]]></description>
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<p>Paul Sims of the New Humanist magazine takes aim once again at the Noah&#8217;s Ark zoo (as featured on this blog also) in the Guardian: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2010/sep/10/creationism-education-teaching-children">Creationists seek to insert their own brand of &#8216;truth&#8217; into education</a>.</p>
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		<title>Religous schools more likely under new Government rules?</title>
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		<dc:creator>GrumpyBob</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a quick note to observe the report over at the National Secular Society site regarding the likely expansion of faith schools under Michael Gove (Michael Gove in religious schools rethink &#124; National Secular Society).&#160; Turns out that our Education Secretary&#8217;s grand vision of widespread secession of academies from local authority control has been less [...]]]></description>
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<p>Just a quick note to observe the report over at the National Secular Society site regarding the likely expansion of faith schools under Michael Gove (<a href="http://www.secularism.org.uk/michael-gove-in-religious-school.html?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nssnews+%28NSS+News%29">Michael Gove in religious schools rethink | National Secular Society</a>).&nbsp; Turns out that our Education Secretary&#8217;s grand vision of widespread secession of academies from local authority control has been less successful than he had intended.&nbsp; To try and rescue this situation, it appears that Mr Gove plans to relax the 50% rule, which meant that 50% of the pupils in a faith-based academy must be from other (or presumably no) faiths.</p>
<p>This is pretty outrageous, and one wonders whether Mr Gove watched Richard Dawkins&#8217; excellent broadcast the other week (More 4) on the dangers of faith schools.&nbsp; I imagine that even if he did, it would be ignored in the big push to roll out all those Tory policies that have been waiting in the wings since 1997.</p>
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		<title>More news coverage of the Noah&#8217;s Ark Zoo Farm fracas</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wales Online features a story on the Noah&#8217;s Ark Zoo Farm furore (&#8217;Creationist&#8217; zoo in row over school visits), in which a creationist zoo was awarded an imprimature of educational quality &#8211; apparently it&#8217;s a hot destination for Welsh schoolkids. The article quotes principally from the Zoo&#8217;s website, which clearly indicate the creationist bias of [...]]]></description>
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<p>Wales Online features a story on the Noah&#8217;s Ark Zoo Farm furore (<a href="http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/education-news/2010/08/18/creationist-zoo-embroiled-in-row-over-school-visits-91466-27083388/">&rsquo;Creationist&rsquo; zoo in row over school visits</a>), in which a creationist zoo was awarded an imprimature of educational quality &#8211; apparently it&#8217;s a hot destination for Welsh schoolkids. The article quotes principally from the Zoo&#8217;s website, which clearly indicate the creationist bias of the establishment. One quotation is &ldquo;After looking at the current explanations for origins and evolution,  it is our view that the evidence available points to widespread  evolution after an initial creation by God&#8221;.&nbsp; But what evidence actually points to any creation by a supernatural being (and what actual evidence is there for any god?).&nbsp; The article also quotes an NSS spokesperson:</p>
<blockquote><p>&ldquo;Parents should be clearly told what kind of place this is before  signing their children up. Not only is it a creationist zoo, it&rsquo;s a  Christian one so children from other faiths or none are effectively  being told their beliefs &ndash; or lack of them &ndash; are wrong.</p>
<p>&ldquo;Noah&rsquo;s Ark may be suitable for a Sunday school trip but not for a  school trip to teach children about science and nature, especially if  teachers are not qualified or able to separate fact from propaganda and  explain to children that creationism is a minority view based on faith,  not facts.&rdquo;</p>
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<p>I read the WalesOnline report shortly after watching Richard Dawkins&#8217; TV programme on the issue of faith schools (<a href="http://www.channel4.com/programmes/faith-school-menace" target="_blank">Faith School Menace</a>, More 4).&nbsp; There was a very interestign segment towards the end in which a child psychologist was demonstrating that when young kids are presented with two explanations for something, theyb will tend to choose the one that has a &#8220;purpose&#8221;.&nbsp; The inference of course is that when exposed to religious explanations (for example to of the diversity of life), they will be receptive, not just because the explanation is from an &#8220;authority figure&#8221;, but because religious explanations feature a cause and a reason.&nbsp; It seems to me that creationist zoos such as this one should not receive educational plaudits from dubious quangos, for this very reason.</p>
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		<title>Being Christian doesn&#8217;t bring with it the right to discriminate</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 12:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>More grumblings from Christian Concern for Our Nation (<a href="http://www.ccfon.org/view.php?id=1157">More registrars under pressure due to homosexual civil partnerships &#8211; CCFON.org &#8211; Christian Concern For Our Nation</a>), who seem to suffer from the delusion that their religious beliefs entitle them to discriminate against specific sectors of our population (thereby breaking the law).&nbsp; Unfortunately the CCfON website doesn&#8217;t have a commenting facility.&nbsp; CCfON write (my emphasis):</p>
<blockquote><p>The investigation  follows the case of Lillian Ladele, a registrar  working for Islington Council  who refused to conduct civil partnership  ceremonies because they were against  her Christian beliefs. She had  also tried to change her rotas but homosexual  colleagues complained and  she later had to resign. She lost her claim for  discrimination last  December when the Court of Appeal ruled that her <strong>refusal to  conduct  civil partnership ceremonies breached equality laws</strong>.&nbsp;</p>
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<p>Of course this is taken as a &#8220;religious bar to office&#8221; by the Christian Legal Centre.&nbsp; I say <em>being Christian doesn&#8217;t bring with it the right to discriminate</em>. I guess it&#8217;s all part of the &#8220;victim culture&#8221; that seems to be UK christians&#8217; main plank in the argument that they should continue to receive favoured status in society.</p>
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		<title>Christian Legal Centre &#8220;Shocked&#8221;!</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A quick update on a story I posted several months back concerning a council housing officer&#8217;s sacking following an incident where he pushed dubious religious advice on an incurably ill member of the public (Delusional housing officer given the boot) &#8211; the BBC reports that the legal appeal mounted by the Christian Legal Centre has [...]]]></description>
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<p>A quick update on a story I posted several months back concerning a council housing officer&#8217;s sacking following an incident where he pushed dubious religious advice on an incurably ill member of the public (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.robertsaunders.org.uk/wordpress/2009/12/03/delusional-housing-officer-given-the-boot/">Delusional housing officer given the boot</a>) &#8211; the BBC reports that the legal appeal mounted by the Christian Legal Centre has been rejected (<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-10935390">BBC News &#8211; Christian Wandsworth Council worker loses sacking claim</a>).&nbsp; It turns out this isn&#8217;t just about the religious aspects of the case:<br />
<blockquote>Wandsworth Council said Ms X complained that she faced a &#8220;30 minute barrage&#8221; from the advisor during which she was also told not to bother with doctors.<br />The council said it was &#8220;inappropriate and unacceptable&#8221; that Mr Amachree also revealed details about Ms X to the media which could have led to her identification.<br />The London South employment tribunal, which heard the case in June and July, ruled the dismissal was &#8220;fair&#8221; and there was no discrimination on the grounds of his religion.</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course the Christian Legal Centre regard this as a &#8220;shock outcome&#8221; (<a href="http://www.christianlegalcentre.com/view.php?id=1156" target="_blank">Shock decision against Council worker sacked for mentioning God</a>), while being somewhat economical with the truth.&nbsp; One supposes this is one more plank in <a href="http://www.johannhari.com/2010/08/10/the-slow-whiny-death-of-british-christianity">The slow, whiny death of British Christianity</a>).</p>
<p>h/t <a target="_blank" href="http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/08/13/bible-thumping-council-worker-duke-amachree-loses-unfair-dismissal-claim/">The Freethinker</a></p>
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		<title>Anne Widdecombe approves of the creationist zoo</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a quick update on the Noah&#8217;s Ark Farm zo fiasco, in which a creationist zoo received an educational award. The excellent New Humanist blog carries an article responding to a piece by Widdecombe in the Daily Express supporting the &#8220;zoo&#8221; (Ann Widdecombe is a fan of Noah&#8217;s Ark Zoo). The New Humanist writer has, [...]]]></description>
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<p>Just a quick update on the Noah&#8217;s Ark Farm zo fiasco, in which a creationist zoo received an educational award.  The excellent New Humanist blog carries an article responding to a piece by Widdecombe in the Daily Express supporting the &#8220;zoo&#8221; (<a href="http://blog.newhumanist.org.uk/2010/08/ann-widdecombe-is-fan-of-noahs-ark-zoo.html">Ann Widdecombe is a fan of Noah&#8217;s Ark Zoo</a>).</p>
<p>The New Humanist writer has, of course visited the &#8220;educational award holder&#8221; zoo, and has several revealing photographs, and suspects that Widdecombe hasn&#8217;t herself been there.  Perhaps this is a continuation of the &#8220;Christians are discriminated against&#8221; line that the established church (and the Catholics of course) have been pushing of late &#8211; see also Johann Hari&#8217;s recent article (<a href="http://www.johannhari.com/2010/08/10/the-slow-whiny-death-of-british-christianity">The slow, whiny death of British Christianity</a>).</p>
<p>I wonder exactly what &#8220;evidence&#8221; for creation Widdecombe is thinking of when she says:</p>
<blockquote><p>The British Humanist association says the award is inappropriate merely  because the zoo concentrates on creation. In short the British Humanist  association does not believe that children should be allowed even to  discuss creation or to be exposed to any evidence that might support it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Presumably some dusty old tome?  And what makes the Christian account of creation different and more &#8220;evidence&#8221;-based than any other religious account of creation?</p>
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		<title>HM Government &#8211; Petition regarding the Pope&#8217;s visit to the UK</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 04:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A petition was raised at the UK Government&#8217;s petition site regarding the upcoming Papal visit to these shores &#8211; a response from the Government (presumably the new Cleggeron-led affair): HM Government. The petition was filed by Peter Tatchell: We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to disassociate the British government from the Pope&#8217;s intolerant views [...]]]></description>
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<p>A petition was raised at the UK Government&#8217;s petition site regarding the upcoming Papal visit to these shores &#8211; a response from the Government (presumably the new Cleggeron-led affair): <a href="http://www.hmg.gov.uk/epetition-responses/petition-view.aspx?epref=ProtestthePope">HM Government</a>.  The petition was filed by Peter Tatchell:<br />
<blockquote>We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to disassociate the British government from the Pope&#8217;s intolerant views ahead of the Papal visit to Britain in September 2010. We urge the Prime Minister to make it clear that his government disagrees with the Pope&#8217;s opposition to women&#8217;s reproductive rights, gay equality, embryonic stem cell research and the use of condoms to prevent the spread of HIV. We ask the Prime Minister to express his disagreement with the Pope’s role in the cover-up of child sex abuse by Catholic clergy, his rehabilitation of the Holocaust-denying bishop Richard Williamson, and his decree paving the way for the beatification and sainthood of the war-time Pope, Pius XII, who stands accused of failing to speak out against the Holocaust. We also request the Prime Minister to assure us that the Pope’s visit will not be financed by the British taxpayer. </p></blockquote>
<p>As seems to be usual in the responses to such petitions, the HMG reply isn&#8217;t very forthcoming:<br />
<blockquote> Pope Benedict XVI will visit the UK from 16 to 19 September at the invitation of Her Majesty The Queen. The visit is described as a Papal Visit with the status of a State Visit. The programme will include a number of pastoral events, which are the responsibility of the Catholic Church, as well as some significant official events, which will provide opportunities for issues of common interest to the UK Government and the Holy See to be discussed at the highest level.  </p>
<p>The Holy See has a global reach and so is a valuable international partner for the UK Government.  Our relationship with the Holy See enables us to address jointly a range of foreign policy and development issues.  These include working towards delivery of the Millennium Development Goals, addressing the impacts of climate change, preventing and resolving conflict, and finding ways to encourage disarmament.</p>
<p>As with any bilateral diplomatic relationship, there are issues on which we disagree.  The Holy See is clear on our positions on these issues. However, we believe that Pope Benedict’s visit will provide an opportunity to strengthen and build on our relationship with the Holy See in areas where we share interests and goals, and to discuss those issues on which our positions differ.  </p>
<p>Since the visit has the status of a State Visit, and some parts of the programme are being organised by the British Government, a proportion of the costs of the Visit will fall to the Government.  The costs can be divided into two categories: policing costs, which will be met by the State from existing policing budgets, and non-policing costs, which will be split between the Catholic Church and the Government.  The total size of the costs at this stage is not confirmed but discussions are currently under way to decide the appropriate levels of contribution from the Government and the Catholic Bishops’ Conferences of England and Wales, and of Scotland.  Other parts of the programme, such as the Masses and other pastoral events, are the responsibility of the Catholic Bishops’ Conferences.  The direct costs of these events will therefore be borne by the Catholic Church.</p></blockquote>
<p>None of this really addresses the request to dissociate the Government from Pope&#8217;s &#8220;intolerant views&#8221;.&nbsp; It would seem that being the leader of a major and established cult empowers one to hold divisive and discriminatory views, and to express them widely.<br />Will the pointless HMG petition site survive the the Cleggeron onslaught of Government spending?&nbsp; And why <b>not</b> get rid of it &#8211; I&#8217;ve never seen a response that indicates the Government takes on board any views expressed.&nbsp; (The same might be said of the the Cleggeron Government&#8217;s website for citizens to suggest legislation for repeal).&nbsp; </p>
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